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need help: patchy bleach, ombre, old dye, want silver

 
(@ColorClueless)
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I've been reading the forum, but I'm still unsure what to do. I should've started reading before bleaching, lol. Sorry this is so long.

Last march I wanted a silver lilac (sort of periwinkle blue). I sort of did what the young lady said to do: a green tint, followed by a mix of ion titanium and light blue. Ion didn't have green, so I used  a watered down teal (now discontinued and reported as impossible to remove). The color didn't come out great the first time because I have light-medium brown hair.

A month later I bleached my hair in chunks and left some natural, hoping to get highlighted areas of more brilliant color. The bleached sections only got close to white in some places and was yellow everywhere else. I used the full hour. The color showed, but it was patchy and very teal. I used up the teal to try to cover the patchiness.

I've let it be until now. My plan was to go silver for awhile because it looks fun and because it seems that temporary colors would be easy to use over it. Also, the teal was not coming out completely even though I used baking soda and apple cider vinegar every time I washed. (I stopped using baking soda because it's too drying.) I figured bleach was going to get it out since I'd seen statements saying the only thing that would take out the color is bleach.

I bleached my hair all by myself–part of the problem.

I put coconut oil all over my hair first. I wonder if the coconut oil made the bleach come out patchy because I thought I did well covering everything. Should I use a pre-bleaching treatment? I found one by Ion that said it would create and even surface for even bleaching.

I used foil. Now I'm beginning to think that foil makes it harder to cover everything evenly; and it also takes too much time. Should I skip the foil and mist with water?

I started with parts around my face and then the ends. The bleach was in there for over 2 hours in the areas I started with. The upper portion hasn't been processed over 30 min. I know it's so wrong to do this, but I wanted white blond ends—and I didn't do my research first.

Was I wrong to re-bleach parts that had already been bleached? I've read that it's not a good idea, but I wanted the teal out. I've also read that you should bleach until it's the color of the inside of a banana peal, not white.

My ends are like the inside of a banana peal. The hair around my face is white. Is my hair going to fall out?

I thought it would be wise to do an ombre so it wasn't so drastic when the roots came in.  Will silver even work on light caramel hair?

I've got patchy leopard stripes in the top half of my hair and I missed a lot of spots in the parts up the highest and closest to my scalp. I went in again with the brush in vertical strokes on the areas that were patchy. It helped a little, but I still have patches. I'm tempted to do that again. Was it a bad idea to do it in the first place? The areas with the patches are between light caramel and my natural color.

After this, I left Manic Panic Virgin Snow White toner in for 2 hours and applied heat twice. I didn't tone much. My ends are a very pale yellow. I've read that it won't do anything to the darker hair and that it needs to stay in overnight. I'm sensitive to chemicals—I know this isn't the best hobby for that—so I didn't want to leave it in all night.

I should've taken a picture before I soaked my head in olive oil. I'll put one up soon. From a distance it's a nice white blond with mint/sky blue. Up close the light caramel and leopard spots are too obnoxious.

I'm ok with the blue for now.

What is my next step? When can I bleach again? Is a partial bleach bath an option?

I read here about someone who chose to use purple on the darker hair and silver on the blonde parts while waiting the appropriate amount of time to bleach again. Is this a good option? Would I need a color remover before bleaching?  *anyone* *boo*

My hair is also very thin and fine. I have fair, lightly-freckeled skin. Before last march, my hair was untouched for 6 years. Thanks for any help!

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Posted : November 29, 2014 6:07 am
(@Piscine)
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Ah, where to begin...

Firstly, don't listen to the people that work at Sally's. One does not have to have any knowledge of cosmetology to work there; they are just trying to sell product.

Secondly, light pastel colors (light silver/ periwinkle) are impossible to achieve on anything but very light "inside of a banana" blonde hair.

Thirdly, trying to bleach out the Ion teal is just going to damage your hair and possibly drive the color molecules further into your hair shaft. Also, the baking soda and cider vinegar isn't the best method for removing color either; recommended methods include dandruff shampoo, hot oil treatments, bath salts/ epsom salts, swimming, and for stubborn colors a hair bleach and water paste and sometimes sulfite-based color removers. You can also attempt to 'push' colors out with another dye. Bleaching should really be a last resort unless you maintain a short hair style and the damaged hair would be cut off soon anyway.

If you bleach and your result was patchy it was very unlikely to be from the coconut oil. Patchiness can come from application, the temperature of the hair (hair near the scalp processes faster from your body heat), or the bleach having lost effectiveness at the time of application. I'm not clear as to how or why you used foil; if you are separating individual sections so that they do not touch the hair you do not want bleached then that is perfect. If you wrapped your entire head in foil when you were finished applying the bleach that is fine. If you bleached all of your hair but put sections into individual foils that is not necessary and would be rather time-consuming. I'm also not understanding the misting with water part. If you are keeping everything wrapped that has bleach on it then it will not dry out; there is no reason to use water. Also, leaving bleach in for two hours will not help; on the contrary, the efficacy of the bleach is basically gone past the 50 minute mark but it is damaging your hair. You shouldn't bleach more than once a month; it can take a month or more to see damage caused by bleaching. Will your hair fall out if you double process your hair? No, but it could break off if you have too much damage, especially if you have fine hair. I highly suggest waiting at least a month to see the condition of your hair before attempting to use any form of bleach.

Again, unless your hair is very light you can not make it a light silver or pastel color, or use the Virgin Snow, which is generally not considered a very good product anyway. There are other lovely colors that can cover your hair, such as a darker silver/ gray or purple if that is acceptable to you. You might be able to do the combination silver/ purple but it would help a lot if you would post a picture of your hair so as to make an informed recommendation.

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Posted : December 4, 2014 6:43 am
(@marthakins)
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Also you can mix your own toner that will be stronger than Virgin snow with cheap silicone free white conditioner and violet dye for the pale bits and blue for more orangey bits to tone down the brassiness while you wait to bleach again.

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Posted : December 4, 2014 1:02 pm
(@ColorClueless)
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Here are some photos. They aren't ideal, but may help. My hair is well oiled up in all photos. I have more, but I'm not allowed any more attachments. Thanks for the help! Btw, I just used Ion Color Brilliance Creme Lightener. It didn't do a thing!

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Posted : December 5, 2014 4:59 am
(@Piscine)
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I see a lot of dark banding; how exactly did you apply the bleach and what products did you use? If you didn't get bleach on those brown areas, it would be OK to spot bleach them but you would have to be careful not to overlap onto the previously bleached hair. You especially need to avoid the areas around your face and the other white areas.

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Posted : December 5, 2014 6:58 am
(@Wicked Pixie)
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Ions blues are really difficult to remove, often impossible even with bleach, so don't fry your hair attempting to bleach them out.
I have no idea why your hair went so splotchy, I am guessing uneven application or badly mixed bleach (sometimes old bleach powder goes lumpy/grainy and doesn't mix well)
It could have been a reaction to the foil if you used kitchen foil. BTW misting with water is a method to get the bleach to stop working on areas that are already light enough.
Wait a month if you want to preserve the integrity of your hair. Then you will have to go through it section by section and only apply bleach to the darker/splotchy areas to try and even it out

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Posted : December 5, 2014 6:49 pm