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Red hair colour advice!
« on: 21 Mar 16 / 06:35 PM »
Hi ladies!

I can't figure out how to post to the 'new here' thread so hi all!

I'm not a hairdresser expert but have been dying my hair the last couple of years (well actually, my mum/boyfriend has - whoever is available!)

I have been using Affinage B Red with 12% vol

Someone recommend using Loreal Majirouge 6.66 - can this be treated the same way and mixed with the developer creme?

Also, I find that the underneath of my hair is darker & doesn't absorb the colour as well - is this something I have to put up with? (I don't wear it up all that often!) or can I balance it more?

Anyone have any other tips/suggestions please let me know! I''ll probably spend lots of time browsing the various threads anyway!

Thanks in advance!

(I've attached a pic of my current hair colour, in case that makes things any clearer!)
 

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« Reply #1 on: 21 Mar 16 / 07:13 PM »
I would suggest not using either to be honest. Certainly if you're re-dying over your whole head each time. It's extremely damaging.

What is your natural colour?
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« Reply #2 on: 21 Mar 16 / 07:34 PM »
Well I've been using the B Red for about 3 years now, and hairdressers are generally surprised with the condition of my hair as it's quite good!

Natural colour is mouse brown but I've been dying it for about 12 years - started with semi permanent, moved on to permanent but then the colour was never as bright as I wanted so I'm using the B Red for about 3 years now I think I said 12% earlier, must be 9%)
 

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« Reply #3 on: 21 Mar 16 / 07:47 PM »
It could actually be a lot better if you stop using the b red :)

What I would suggest is doing a bleach bath, you can find a tutorial in the tutorial section, just on your roots. Then using a red of your choice from beeunique.co.uk You can mix reds to get the exact colour you want. So there's pinky reds, orange reds and you can mix then to get a true bright red.

You can carry on using the b red if you really want, or switching to the majirouge, it's the same thing, but just use it on the roots. Then top up the rest of the colour with one of the dyes from the above site. You can search by reds.

Those dyes actually last longer than permanents. I know it sounds weird, but it's actually true. So, you'd be topping up the colour on the ends with no damage and you'd be doing less damage to your regrowth as it comes through. You really don't need a lot of lift in the shade for a really bright red, so a bleach bath should be more than enough.
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« Reply #4 on: 21 Mar 16 / 07:50 PM »
Considering I bought 6 tubes online the last time I ordered, I'll have to use up the bRed for the moment!!! :/

How would I match the colour with using 1 dye on the roots and mixing others for the rest?

So a tube of majirouge is the same as a tube of bRed?

(My hair actually doesn't seem to be in bad condition and I use Coconut oil (when I think of it!) on the ends!)

I haven't a clue what a bleach bath is but I will have a look now! (Only joined the site today!)
 

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« Reply #5 on: 21 Mar 16 / 07:55 PM »
Had a look at beeunique there, I have some Crazy Color and usually use that once between dyes to 'brighten' it up again. Came across Manic Panic before (the rest aren't familiar) but what's the difference between b Red and Manic Panic? Is B Red only meant to be used on roots?
 

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« Reply #6 on: 21 Mar 16 / 07:58 PM »
Reds are very forgiving. You can have a fairly uneven base and it'll give a pretty even result. Many of them are very highly pigmented, so cover well. You put the direct dye (the ones from the site I linked to) all over the hair, roots and all.

Majirouge is basically the same thing, yes. Just a different company and probably a slightly different colour. It's not any better than b red as far as I'm aware.

Your hair might be in decent condition, but wouldn't you want better condition? It seems a bit odd to me to carry on using a method that is damaging, even if your hair is in OK condition. :) Also, there's a lot of products that heavily mask damage. If you're using Aussie 3 minute miracle for example, your hair is probably in far worse condition than you think.

A bleach bath is just a mild version of bleach. It's diluted so it lifts less and is less damaging. You only need to get your hair to a mid ginger and you can get a super bright red. I think this is likely to help with your problem of darker hair underneath.

Edited to add - there's also the trick of bleaching or dying while you have coconut oil in your hair. It helps prevent damage.
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« Reply #7 on: 21 Mar 16 / 08:01 PM »
Okay so you're suggesting this bleach bath thing on roots, then using something like Crazy Color all over?
Developer creme not needed only for the bleach at the start?
Is that done each time to apply new dye?

I don't use Aussie 3 minute, and yes of course I would like good conditioned hair :) I wasn't aware that this particular method I'm using is overly damaging. A few hairdressers asked me what I used and didn't discourage me from it! :/

(Do you mind linking me to the tutorial on the bleach bath, as I looked in tutorials but can't see it!) Thanks

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« Reply #8 on: 21 Mar 16 / 08:16 PM »
Sorry, it's not in the tutorial section, it's a tutorial, so I always expect it to be there! It's in the bleaching and lightening section. It's a sticky thread at the top. If you're using tapatalk then you'll have to click on the stickies part. I'm using tapatalk now, so I can't link I'm afraid!

So yes. Just bleach bath the roots (or use up the b red, if it's just on the roots it's ok, bleach bathing is just a bit better and cheaper) then use a red all over. I wouldn't actually suggest crazy colour. I'd use directions or special effects. Though, special effects have been a bit hit and miss with stock for the last year, but they are good. Oh, or adore. Many that love reds like the adore reds. I've not used them, but they are especially good for not bleeding colour.

You use no developer for direct dyes. They're basically conditioner with pigment in! And yes, each time you do the roots. And in between if you want to brighten up the colour. Even better, add some to your conditioner and each time you wash you get a mini top up of colour.

Hairdressers aren't always the most up to date with super bright fashion colours. Or even the best at understanding the best ways to avoid damage. Those of us that change colours constantly have used trial and error, lots of error in many cases, to find what works best.

PS instead of double posting, can you edit your last post instead please :)
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« Reply #9 on: 21 Mar 16 / 08:37 PM »
Okay, no idea what tapatalk is (!!) but I'm sure I'll find the thread now I know where to look!

If I DON'T bleach bath this time, are you saying I can use the bRed on the ROOTS and then a direct colour all over? Do the roots have to rinsed and dried before the direct colour? I'll have a look at Special Effects/Directions, haven't heard of these before. Are the likes of majirouge/bred etc only intended for roots and not all over lift? I only did this because I'd looked at a few tutorials, especially one of a girl who's hair I admire so I thought it was okay to do!

I found I would ask the hairdressers for 'bright red' and it never turned out like I wanted. They even showed me the little booklet with different colours, said they'd mix a small bit of the bright one with another colour - I said 'I want it all that bright colour' but they said they couldn't do that - why might this be?

Apologies for double posting, I see the 'modify' button now but thanks for merging them for me!

(Also apologies if these seem ridiculously stupid questions, I just want to arm myself with information before I start attacking my hair and end up bald!!)
 

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« Reply #10 on: 21 Mar 16 / 08:59 PM »

I found I would ask the hairdressers for 'bright red' and it never turned out like I wanted. They even showed me the little booklet with different colours, said they'd mix a small bit of the bright one with another colour - I said 'I want it all that bright colour' but they said they couldn't do that - why might this be?
A lot of the dyes used by hairdressers have bright colors but most actually need to be mixed with a base color. So the bright red has to be used with a darker red base and then activated by the developer. I used to do this for my boyfriend when he wanted blueblack. Most of them do not use direct dyes at all. (which is a shame)

If you want to use your B-red then you put that only on your roots, then rinse it out and shampoo. Do not condition.
then you can put on the direct dye (any of the beeunique.co.uk brands). some of us like to do it on dry hair, others damp so its is your choice. you do not need to mix it with anything and can leave it on for as long as you want as it is not damaging.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 21 Mar 16 / 09:04 PM »
There's a thread on how to get, maintain and remove red hair in the tutorial section. I would read that as it's got a lot of these details and more. You can just ignore the bits on removing :)

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« Reply #12 on: 21 Mar 16 / 11:25 PM »
Thanks to you both for your help. What's the difference in putting it on damp or dry hair? Does one absorb better than the other?

Also, I am discouraged from using bRed on my whole head because of damage, or is there another reason?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 21 Mar 16 / 11:32 PM »
It's not too bad to use the b red on ONLY the roots as they grow in every 4-6 weeks. What you want to avoid from now on is dying the whole of your hair each time.

With dry or damp hair, it's just a personal thing. I can't put it on dry hair as my hair just soaks up moisture, I use three times as much dye putting it on dry hair and it comes out far more patchy! Others swear by putting it on dry hair and they get better results that way. It's just trial and error, but both work. It's easy enough to reapply if you try one way and get slightly patchy results.
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« Reply #14 on: 21 Mar 16 / 11:45 PM »
And it it advised not to use it all over because it's unsuitable for some reason or bad for your hair?
 

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« Reply #15 on: 21 Mar 16 / 11:51 PM »
It is a high lift dye, with very high levels of ammonia and when you add a high vol peroxide 9(2% is 40 vol, extremely strong for an on scalp application) it is a very strong product. it is designed to give lift on natural dark hair, not previously processed hair. Repeated use will cause a lot of damage, and it is not necessary to use such strong products to achieve red.
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« Reply #16 on: 21 Mar 16 / 11:56 PM »
Thank you, that makes sense! Finally it is clear to me now, eeek! It's a wonder I'm not bald so! Thanks for your help. Final question - such dyes need an activator like 9% to work - they can't be applied directly on to roots without this? But the other dyes can be applied directly.....

(Then it's definitely time for bed for me, I just spotted I spelled roots as 'routes'!!!)
 

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« Reply #17 on: 22 Mar 16 / 12:06 AM »
Oxidative dyes (permanents and demi permanents) need the peroxide (developer) to trigger the oxidation reaction.
Direct dyes(such as any of the dyes sold here) work by coating the outside of the hair, no chemical reaction involved which is why they are totally safe to use
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« Reply #18 on: 22 Mar 16 / 08:14 AM »
Yes, as I said before, the direct dye as sold on beeunique are basically just conditioner with pigment. They are totally safe to use (as long as there's no allergies, so do a skin test first, you can google that, but it's less likely with these dyes than permanent anyway) and you can leave them on your hair as long as you like.

The reason the dyes the b red dyes etc are so bad is exactly what wicked pixie said. But I'll go a bit deeper. When the ammonia and peroxide lift the cuticle, what happens frequently with these high lift dyes is the cuticle gets ripped off or sometimes totally melted because they're so aggressive. It's like leaving the front door of your house open all the time, and a house full of animals, you're not going to have much left in it eventually! There's nothing stopping the broken proteins in your hair from slipping out and then you'll have very bad breakage as there's less holding your hair together. There's nothing to hold in the dye, so it starts fading really fast.

Not only that, the cuticles that have been ripped off, or even ones that won't close, end up making the hair like Velcro. You'll try and run your fingers through and it knots easily because the hair is literally catching against itself. Every time you use a dye over the same spot it's doing the same thing making the risk of completely frying your hair more likely. It can happen quite suddenly too. It might feel fine now, but as I said before, it depends on the products you use. They could be masking any damage and it's just getting worse each time.

I've only just seen the post where you asked about the difference between manic panic and b red. You must have posted that as I was answering your post just before that. But that means you at least get the concept of brightening up the colour. This way you're doing that from the start rather than using the b red all over.  And wicked pixies post above explains the difference, so I'm not going to go into that again obviously.
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« Reply #19 on: 22 Mar 16 / 03:33 PM »
Ladies, thanking you kindly for your explanations and support (especially Janine!) . After dying my hair for about 12 years this is the first time I actually understand (Or feel like I do anyway!!!) I have ordered some Special FX & Adore and another one (I went a bit crazy!) but I'll have to dye my hair before they arrive so it'll be my last go of the BRed i think. I didn't realise how much damage I maay have been doing to my hair so thank you again.
 

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« Reply #20 on: 22 Mar 16 / 04:12 PM »
I think you'll be happy that you've made the move to direct dyes, when I had bright red and I switched from permanent red dyes all over every time to just lightening my roots and topping up all over with SFX or Adore reds it improved the condition and colour of my hair no end! (and I hadn't thought it seemed damaged at the time, until it ended up tons shinier!). My hairdresser at the time used to say that she was happy to let me do my own colour as she didn't think she could get it as bright and as un-damaged with the products and techniques she knew!
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« Reply #21 on: 22 Mar 16 / 04:29 PM »
lauralei, that is good to know and I'm quite excited for my dyes to arrive! I'm nervous about the bleach bath thing (but only because it's 'new' to me) and I've just looked at the step by step tutorial so I'm sure I should be fine. Need to just source some powder bleach now! Should have looked properly last night and ordered it along with my dye! (I've come across blue/white powder bleach online but unsure what the difference is or which I should get!)
 

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« Reply #22 on: 22 Mar 16 / 04:43 PM »
It's ok that you didn't understand :) a lot of people don't. I only do because I did hairdressing when I first left school, but I did it in college where we had lots of science lessons. That's not something you get so much of when you train in a salon. I left hairdressing behind after the two years, I just wasn't good at cutting and didn't enjoy it! But sadly a lot of hairdressers just have very little idea how to get bright colours. There's a few and most of them seem to have learnt through people like us!

I would suggest BlondeMe or Blondor for bleach. I normally get it on Amazon, but sometimes Sally's (UK). You can use the peroxide you have now. Though, I do want to check to see if you have a photo of your natural colour. You might be better off with a full bleach, but a much lower level peroxide if your hair is a bit darker than I'm imagining.
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« Reply #23 on: 22 Mar 16 / 07:19 PM »
Even now that I have my hair brown I just use a permanent brown on the roots and freshen it up with Adore on the lengths if it needs it, so much healthier than keep battering it with chemicals all over!
I think you'll be fine with the bleach bath, you'll get to be an expert eventually! I second what Janine says about seeing your natural colour though, to get the best strategy for you! (my hair is mousey dark blonde and I only needed a bleach bath with a weak developer, but it all depends on your hair! )
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« Reply #24 on: 30 Mar 16 / 09:22 PM »
Hi ladies, apology for the delay. Very busy couple of days.

Afraid I've had my hair dyed for as long as I can remember so don't have a picture of my natural colour.

Would this even be relevant considering there is so much dye built up in my hair over the years?

If it makes any difference, it's a medium brown I would say, darker underneath & lighter around my face. Hair is quite thick also, if that bears any relevance!

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