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Clumping!
« on: 25 Apr 12 / 08:28 PM »
So, I've been CO-washing my hair for a little while now and I'm very happy with it, I've been clipping back the fringe and drying it scrunched inside a shower cap :)

Thing is though, I'm growing out a fringe and shorter layers so when it's wavy there is a lot of thickness at the top of my head which looks a bit uneven.  Plus, I don't want to be confined to drying my hair in a shower cap every time.

So, I was wondering if I can get it to "clump" like the nice curls just drying naturally?  Can I just scrunch it and then leave it alone?

And secondly, is there a way to dry just the fringe a little flatter (not flat to my head, just less voluminous) but keeping the ends wavy?
 

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Re: Clumping!
« Reply #1 on: 25 Apr 12 / 09:09 PM »
From trying out various combinations of Curly Girl techniques - AKA trying to cheat - for me clumps only really seem to happen if hair is sopping wet, then a fair bit of leave-in conditioner and LOADS of gel scrunched in then leave. You might need less products if your hair is not as porous but the water part is essential as that makes groups of hairs want to stick together, the gel part is more to keep them stuck together once the water evaporates and to encourage curl. Even squeezing it out so not dripping makes my hair clump less. AFAIK plopping in a towel or  shower cap is to stop the weight of the hair/ water from pulling the curls out, I don't think it improves clumping. If you gently comb part of the fringe with a wide tooth comb or press down gently with the palm of your hand or fingers you should be able to get the roots area straighter. Just don't comb or press on the ends.
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Re: Clumping!
« Reply #2 on: 26 Apr 12 / 10:14 AM »
Cool thanks, I'll try without the shower cap next time :)
 

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Re: Clumping!
« Reply #3 on: 26 Apr 12 / 11:28 AM »
Have you tried amla powder? I've been using it as part of my herb wash and it really helps my curl pattern.
 

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« Reply #4 on: 26 Apr 12 / 04:43 PM »
Oooh I adooooore amla, I used to use it in herb washes combined with shikaka or aritha, but now I use it mixed in conditioner for a nice treat, it's really awesome.
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« Reply #5 on: 26 Apr 12 / 06:22 PM »
Amla!! I used it for the first time yesterday and my bleach damaged curls are almost better than before...  I also use aloe vera gel on dripping wet hair, scrunching it in both with head upside down and not... it seems like straw when drying, but when 100% dry it's soft and holds the curls...
creams don't work at all with my curls... they just go half-wawy and flat as soon as they dry and horribly messy the second day... leave-ins only if too dry on the ends...
To avoid fuzzyness, use an old t-shirt to dry the hair instead of a towel (don't do the  turban thing, just scrunch it with the shirt on your hands - I'm horrible at explaining things in english, sorry! -  with head upside-down, I do it after the gel, and don't touch it while air drying, so that you don't break the form of the curl. If too clumpy when 100% dry (too much gel ^^) scrunch it out...
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Re: Clumping!
« Reply #6 on: 26 Apr 12 / 06:37 PM »
What is this magical substance called amla and where could I buy it and how do I use it?!
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« Reply #7 on: 26 Apr 12 / 06:47 PM »
I buy my amla from spicesofindia.co.uk, it's dirt cheap but if you have an indian grocery store try that. I also buy other herbs from there and they sell the vatika enriched coconut oil which is supposed to be badass. I had a phase where I obsessed over indian haircare for a while :).
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« Reply #8 on: 26 Apr 12 / 06:53 PM »
Amla is an indian powder. You can get it on ebay or spices of india (this is where i got mine and they also have super cheap coconut oil!) I add it to my herbal wash, mix with water, let it sit for a while (15-30 mins) then apply it to my hair. I leave it for anywhere between 5-20 mins depending on how heavy my preoiling was then rinse. You can also make a mix of pure amla as a sort of deep treatment by mixing a couple of tablespoons or so with water.

Theo do you add the powder straight into your conditioner or do you make a paste first then mix it with your conditioner?

Starshine; amla brought back my curl pattern too! I had this weird thing going on before i used amla where my hair would only curl properly on the upper lengths of hair and be all wavy-ish on the bottom because the ends are really bleach damaged. Amla really helps even my curl out.

You can also get amla oil but they usually contain mineral oils and other ingredients. I've made my own amla oil by heating coconut oil and amla powder together but i've not used it so not sure how well it works.

Also amla can cause your hair to darken but i've not experianced this myself.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 26 Apr 12 / 06:58 PM »
I am so buying some of this, thankyou!
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Re: Clumping!
« Reply #10 on: 26 Apr 12 / 07:00 PM »
It's an indian plant, I used the powder in a home-made hair mask. (Inci: coconut oil, aloe, amla, vinegar... or so I think *whistle*) I bought it in an Indian shop here in italy and mine looks like this
http://www.theindianfoodstore.com/hesh-amla-herbal-powder-100g.html
there is a description in the link on how to use it, but imo it doesn't need the overnight soak...but nees some time on hair... And I think you can also put it in a conditioner...
I have light blonde hair atm and didn't notice any weird tint after one use...
If you buy any amla shampoo/cond/ oil be careful!! as most are full of not-so-lovely things (especially the oil... there is one I see everywhere that has a nightmare inci *nono*)
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« Reply #11 on: 26 Apr 12 / 08:57 PM »
I also use aloe vera gel on dripping wet hair
You mean a normal one or there is a specific for the hair?

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« Reply #12 on: 26 Apr 12 / 09:20 PM »
Amla is an indian powder. You can get it on ebay or spices of india (this is where i got mine and they also have super cheap coconut oil!) I add it to my herbal wash, mix with water, let it sit for a while (15-30 mins) then apply it to my hair. I leave it for anywhere between 5-20 mins depending on how heavy my preoiling was then rinse. You can also make a mix of pure amla as a sort of deep treatment by mixing a couple of tablespoons or so with water.

Theo do you add the powder straight into your conditioner or do you make a paste first then mix it with your conditioner?

Starshine; amla brought back my curl pattern too! I had this weird thing going on before i used amla where my hair would only curl properly on the upper lengths of hair and be all wavy-ish on the bottom because the ends are really bleach damaged. Amla really helps even my curl out.

You can also get amla oil but they usually contain mineral oils and other ingredients. I've made my own amla oil by heating coconut oil and amla powder together but i've not used it so not sure how well it works.

Also amla can cause your hair to darken but i've not experianced this myself.

I make the paste first and then add it to conditioner when I use it as a conditioning treatment as opposed to a wash. I like mixing it with cassia or brahmi (also from the same hesh line). I kinda wanna try more of these powders from hesh they're so cheap and awesome.
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« Reply #13 on: 26 Apr 12 / 09:33 PM »
I make the paste first and then add it to conditioner when I use it as a conditioning treatment as opposed to a wash. I like mixing it with cassia or brahmi (also from the same hesh line). I kinda wanna try more of these powders from hesh they're so cheap and awesome.

Interesting! I'm thinking of mixing my amla, shikakai and aritha with conditioner because my current method is really messy.
 

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« Reply #14 on: 26 Apr 12 / 11:58 PM »
@ Sunny_girl: I use the 98% Aloe gel... But here in Italy it's damn hard finding anything that's not Oreal, Tigi or similar... And that's either creamy/oily, full of silicones or with alcohol... so I'm sticking with the aloe^^   Maybe you can find something more suitable! :)
I use it for everything: body&face lotion, make-up remover, hair gel, in hair masks... ^^

@mcgvil: frow what I know, shikakai acts like a shampoo, so are you doing that when COwashing? (If yes I'm interested!^^)
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« Reply #15 on: 27 Apr 12 / 12:08 AM »
I also use aloe vera gel on dripping wet hair
You mean a normal one or there is a specific for the hair?

Normal aloe vera gel: just purchase a decent quality product with a high percentage AV, not crammed with alcohol, colours, silicones or fragrance. I haven't tried AV on hair myself, but UK brand Aloe Pura make decent products with no nasty additives and I purchased my last 200ml tube of gel for 4.
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« Reply #16 on: 27 Apr 12 / 09:49 AM »

@mcgvil: frow what I know, shikakai acts like a shampoo, so are you doing that when COwashing? (If yes I'm interested!^^)

At the moment i'm mixing it with soya flour and water to create a mud then applying it to my hair but it's really messy. I'm thinking about mixing it with the conditioner to make application easier and also to help remove heavy oilings. I also really like what herbs have done to my hair (made it thicker, stronger and more shiny) and dont want to give them up :P Shikakai is really gentle imo so i think it will help the conditioner to clean rather than work against it.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 27 Apr 12 / 09:50 AM »
@Starshine and @Firefox7275 thank you both. :)
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« Reply #18 on: 27 Apr 12 / 10:48 AM »
Thank you! I really wanted to start using those herbs too, as I've just found a shop here that sells them (amla, shikakai and aritha) but I wasn't sure about how to use them ( as I've used henna before, hair was gorgeous but was hell to take out of my hair, both the mud as the colour ^^) and the soy flour looked as difficult as that to rinse out.. or am I wrong? But if it works in conditioner, then I'll buy them ^^
 
I also really like what herbs have done to my hair (made it thicker, stronger and more shiny) and dont want to give them up :P
ok maybe I'll buy them anyway  ;)

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« Reply #19 on: 27 Apr 12 / 11:31 AM »
I didn't mix my herbs with soy flour personally. I made a blog post on it on LHC, not sure you can see it if you're not a member so I'll just copy and paste it (sorry if it's long!):

I thought I'd write this before I forget. I have had a very successful experience with using Indian herbs to wash 2 days ago and I want to write it all down before I forget. The problem with doing different experiments all the time is that I get really really confused. I try to write things down in my organiser but I don't always do.

So I had done one try before this. I had used 2 tablespoons of aritha and 2 tablespoons of amla, poured some hot water and let it sit for 5 mn. It was basically a paste. I put it on my hair and left this for 15 minutes. I did this on hair that had been generously oiled as I'd heard aritha could be super drying. Problem is: I didn't realise the oil mix I was using had cones in it.... Silly me.

New experiment, after reading the indian herbs article again:
1 1/2 tablespoon shikakai
1 tablespoon amla
about 4 cups of hot tap water
I left it to sit for 5 minutes. Poured it in a shampoo bottle for ease of use. Poured the liquid on my hair, let it sit for 5 minutes again, while showering. Then gave it a quick scrub. Rinsed with a light ACV/distilled water. Very quick rinse with cold shower water.

This was done on hair with just a teeny bit of oil on the lengths (Nighblooming triple oil, my daily staple). My hair came out super duper clean. So yes, maybe a little on the dry side, but nothing dreadful.

The plus sides:
-clean hair! Seriously clean as in my roots look their normal medium ash blonde, not muddy brown.
-waves! They are finally back! Although I stupidly combed them out
- it's really cheap!

Minus sides:
- need to figure out what type of oiling to do first so my lengths dont get too dry. Maybe a good coconut oiling is needed. Or some EVOO.
- well the smell is interesting, but whatever, it can't be worse that the neem soap I use on my face (much closer to my nose ahah)


So, I think I might have found my new routine: alternating CO and Indian herbs. I still have a bag of whole soap nuts to try but I've really liked the shikakai powder so might leave that experiment for later on this summer.

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Re: Clumping!
« Reply #20 on: 27 Apr 12 / 05:44 PM »
Thank you for the post Theodora!!!
ehm... I think we hijacked the topic *whistle*
but since we're here... what does aritha?
because my hair is dry as it is curly and damaged, amla is awesome for stronger, shiny hair *lovestars* , but even if I mix it with aloe, CO and EVOO and COwash after, it still dries my hair a bit..
 ( and I just read that the anti-sun-damages gel I used today (it's finally sunny here!)  is full with alcohol and am not happy at all.. -r-)

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« Reply #21 on: 27 Apr 12 / 07:55 PM »
Aritha is cleansing just like shikakai! So Amla dries your hair? That's really weird cause it's a conditioning herb. Maybe it just makes your hair feel "stiff" the way henna and other herbs can do.

I haven't done indian herb washing since last summer because it doesn't really agree with veggie dyes I think, it would probably fade them quite quickly.
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« Reply #22 on: 28 Apr 12 / 10:44 AM »
maybe it's just stiff, you're right... I'm going to buy an avocado today anyway^^  Thank you!!
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