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Author Topic: Level 7 Copper to Level 9 Honey Blonde?  (Read 142 times)  Share 

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Level 7 Copper to Level 9 Honey Blonde?
« on: 27 Jan 19 / 11:36 PM »
Hi guys! Iím wondering if Iím going about this the right way...

I currently have medium length light copper/gold hair that is about a level 7/8. It has been colored with permanent color several times and I do heat style the ends every other day. The ends are damaged and tangle easily but the roots and mid shafts are fairly healthy. I donít want to lose a lot (or any) length.

I want to go from my level 7/8 copper to a level 9 honey/strawberry blonde. Iíve already stripped out as much of the copper color as I can, now Iím thinking of doing a bleach bath to lighten to a yellow and take out most of the copper. Then tone over it with a honey blonde permenant color. Does this sound about right? Does anyone have any other tips I should know about? Iím a bit nervous and I want to keep my hair in good condition. Thanks all! ❤️
 

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Re: Level 7 Copper to Level 9 Honey Blonde?
« Reply #1 on: 28 Jan 19 / 06:13 AM »
Bleach isn't likely to remove copper and it will definitely badly damage the ends, probably cause some breakage. Honestly, if you don't want to lose length and you have ends that are already tangling easily it's too much of a risk to bleach.

You could try a colour remover, but orange and red tones are a swine to remove. You need to do it very slowly. If a colour remover doesn't work, I would let it grow a little and get a trim before attempting a bleach bath. Then do very, very mild leach baths once a week. This really will be the best way to maintain the integrity. but get rid of the bad ends before you do anything with bleach because damage travels up the hair shaft.

I'm sure you know the other thing I'm about to say and I expect you to ignore me, but quit heat styling the ends so often :)
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Re: Level 7 Copper to Level 9 Honey Blonde?
« Reply #2 on: 28 Jan 19 / 02:26 PM »
Hi thanks for your help!!

I know itís bad to straighten the ends but theyíre so frizzy looking without it... I have a U shaped cut and the longest part is down to my mid upper back. Iíve grown it all off of a Mohawk and Iím savoring the length - itís taken four years and I really donít want to cut it much! However, if I really wanted to cut all the damage off Iíd end up with a collar bone length lob... not crazy about that idea.

A bleach bath even with olaplex would be too much? Iím really only trying to lighten 1-2 shades. Copper has to lift to yellow at some point, right?

Iíve already done two color stripping treatments with vitamin C and shampoo which lifted a considerable amount. I could try color oops but Iím not sure it will lift much more of the copper out.

Am I right at thinking I need to lift to a level 9 banana yellow color before I tone to blonde? Iím unsure of any other way of lifting to this without using bleach.
 

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Re: Level 7 Copper to Level 9 Honey Blonde?
« Reply #3 on: 28 Jan 19 / 07:04 PM »
Constantly straightening the ends though, youíre making it worse every time. The problem with damage is that it travels up the bar shaft, so youíre going to keep having this problem if you donít stop or get it cut off, doing both would work best really. Youíre prolonging the pain by leaving it like it is really. Itís possibly going to get worse too. I understand you donít want to cut it, but you wonít get to keep what you have if you donít face it. But thatís beside the point and not what you asked about.

Whatever you do, donít use colour oops again. Itís not a colour remover. You need to use colour fix. Color oops is a stripper and contains peroxide.

The problem is, that no, copper doesnít have to lift to yellow at some point. Copper, and all red shades, have this annoying thing that they donít stay in the hair for a long time but weirdly, they also stain badly. So they fade quickly, but almost always leave a residue on the outside of the hair shaft that is truly permanent. This can often never be removed. Sometimes bleach will remove it, but more than often it wonít. Do you get damage with no pay off. Bleach isnít designed to remove staining, or even unnatural colour, so it doesnít do it effectively. What youíre doing more than lifting the natural colour is removing the staining, and thatís hard. You need to remove the staining before lifting or you donít know how light the hair is lifting.

And yes, you do use bleach, or permanent blonde hair dye which I donít recommend either, to go paler. But if your hair is already damaged to the point it only looks ok with straightening it and it tangles a lot, it really is the worst th8ngyou can do. Youíve said you donít want to lose length, my honest answer is donít go blonde now. Itís the only way youíre going to keep the integrity of that hair that is already damaged,

I know itís not what you want to hear, and if you go to other places and ask theyíll tell you what you want to hear. But I prefer to be realistic. Itís like, I donít mind about cutting my hair short, so if I mess up and over bleach my hair Iíll just get it cut and it doesnít bother me. If you want to keep the length, be careful with it. Hair can only take so much, and itís often a lot less than we put it through! It isnít designed to be bleached, blow dried, straightened and all the other stuff we put it through. Itís not even really designed to be washed! It all puts stress on the hair.

I hope you take this in the way I mean it. Just, if you want to keep the length, thereís really only one way to do it :) in this case, especially if youíre going to keep straightening it which you will because the ends will be even worse with any amount of bleach, then think of another plan for your colour. Think the same level of shade, but changing the colour with a direct dye or something. I know if tough when you set your heart on something, but or out which is more important to you :)

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Re: Level 7 Copper to Level 9 Honey Blonde?
« Reply #4 on: 30 Jan 19 / 03:25 PM »
Okay ... Iím feeling much more reverent of that bleach bath now! 😂 I did a stretch test on the mid shafts and also on the ends... the mid shaft did well but the ends stretched and broke apart without a lot of tension. I think my new game plan is to train my hair to wash far less (that way I wonít be heat processing as often), get a trim (for now) and just baby it with olaplex 3 and other conditioners. I can continue to try to fade the copper over time and maybe reevaluate in a few months.

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Re: Level 7 Copper to Level 9 Honey Blonde?
« Reply #5 on: 30 Jan 19 / 08:20 PM »
I'm glad you did a strand test before just going on in there! Many wouldn't.

I think that's a good plan. Washing less makes a lot of difference if heat styling is an issue. Just persevere, it'll be well worth it in the long run, if only for the time saved washing and styling!
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