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Hair too yellow! Need help. Urgent!
« on: 17 Oct 18 / 10:12 PM »
So after not dyeing my hair for over a year and having my natural colour back I decided to dye my hair a Honey Blonde. It's naturally a level 6/7 dirty blonde with some gold tones but it has the tendency to look dull, especially when it's unwashed (I wash every 2-3 days). Right now, dyed, it's about a level 7-8.

Anyway the dye (Herbatint. I wanted something more 'natural' and that wouldn't damage my hair as much. BTW that's bull because it made my hair feel like straw. Luckily I have a good deep conditioning treatment) made my hair yellow/orange.

I was told that using a cool toned demi dye with Wella activating lotion (not developer) in a 1:2 ratio will tone the yellow out. I went to the beauty supply store and was given Ion Color Brillance demi dye in a 9NA (very light ash blonde). I told the girl that an issue I've had with demi dyes in the past is that they always go 2-4 shades darker so that's why I was given a 9. Now mind you I would be using an activating lotion instead of a regular 6 or 10 volume developer (as i've used in the past) so many that would make a difference? I've never used an activating lotion before so I don't know how different it is. They don't give you any information on the volume but just that it's supposed to be a gentler, less damaging version of a developer that you use for semi and demi dyes.

I've been reading online, watching YouTube videos and I asked this question on Reddit. I was told I HAVE TO tone with the same level as my hair. So if I'm an 8 level I have to tone with an 8 level. However I looked at the instructions on the Ion dye and it says to tone or enhance hair with a shade that is "lighter than existing level".

What do I do? I'm getting nothing but conflicting information! I don't want to use the 9NA if it won't even do anything but I don't want to go for a 7 if it's going to darken my hair to like a 4 like it did this one time! What about mixing the 9NA with a 7N? Help! I need to get my hair fixed ASAP.


 

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Re: Hair too yellow! Need help. Urgent!
« Reply #1 on: 18 Oct 18 / 11:11 AM »
Personally I would use the lighter toner as they are designed to get more yellow out. Be aware that even though the activation lotion is not considered developer, it still contains hydrogen peroxide and will be damaging. Dont leave it on for too long and make sure to use a good conditioner after. A reconstructor would be better than a moisture conditioner.
 

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« Reply #2 on: 18 Oct 18 / 11:14 AM »
I went back to Sally's and another employee told me to absolutely not use the 9NA. Said it won't turn out good because my hair isn't light enough. She gave me a 7N to try.
 

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« Reply #3 on: 18 Oct 18 / 11:19 AM »
Just remember that the activator is still peroxide so if this one doesnt work, give your hair a break before you try again with a different one.
 

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Re: Hair too yellow! Need help. Urgent!
« Reply #4 on: 18 Oct 18 / 11:21 AM »
How much of a break do you think? Thanks!
 

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« Reply #5 on: 19 Oct 18 / 08:22 PM »
Around a month. You need to really make sure your hair can take it and is still healthy. It can take several weeks for damage to really start showing. In the meantime you could try toning with direct dyes in conditioner. A tiny amount of a blue based purple in conditioner could well sort you out. I can go into further detail if youíre interested.

This is why I hate the term ďnaturalĒ in beauty products. Honestly itís a load of bunk most of the time. Did you know that hydrogen peroxide is found in the body, in water and even in the atmosphere. It is exactly the same as what we use to bleach, although thatís synthesized it is exactly the same. Itís almost the same as water.

H2O = water
H2O2 = hydrogen peroxide

Itís almost all marketing. There is very little difference between most of the products, if any difference at all, between those marked natural and those that are not. They know people want to try and avoid ďchemicalsĒ now, but they also know that most people donít totally understand that everything is chemicals. Even nothingness is chemicals because itís all atmosphere, and so partly oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide etc, and of course, even hydrogen peroxide! :)

So my point is, donít trust the marketing. Even companies that base themselves totally on being natural, theyíre still using almost all the same stuff, they sometimes use just different names for the same stuff so youíre not tipped off. Some companies are using truly natural stuff, if your definition is ďtaken from natureĒ (though that doesnít actually make it better when you know that natural doesnít equal safe). Hydrogen peroxide is probably the most natural thing in many natural hair dyes, funnily enough (even if itís not listed or stated itís not in it, they still use something else in it that creates it with a chemical reaction of water and oxygen so itís, as far as Iíve found, always used). Donít buy something because itís ďnaturalĒ. Itís rarely always better and itís probably the same.

I encourage you to read these articles:
https://chemistscorner.com/what-is-a-natural-cosmetic/
https://www.ewg.org/news-and-analysis/2018/01/natural-or-organic-cosmetics-don-t-trust-marketing-claims

This one is a question answered by a cosmetic scientist and I encourage you to listen read the blog posts on there and even listen to the old podcast they did, they produce very few episodes now sadly. Itís a real insight into the industry and sometimes  the chemists own frustration with the marketing.
http://thebeautybrains.com/2014/03/do-natural-ingredients-do-anything-for-hair/
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Re: Hair too yellow! Need help. Urgent!
« Reply #6 on: 19 Oct 18 / 08:56 PM »
Around a month. You need to really make sure your hair can take it and is still healthy. It can take several weeks for damage to really start showing. In the meantime you could try toning with direct dyes in conditioner. A tiny amount of a blue based purple in conditioner could well sort you out. I can go into further detail if youíre interested.



Thanks for the advice. A month is pretty long for me to go with yellow hair and the dye with conditioner method never has worked for me. I think my hair isn't light enough? What about a semi dye that you use without developer? Ion has a semi called Natural Blonde. All other semi dyes I've found are either unnatural or very dark colours. I wonder if putting a lavender semi dye on my hair would tone it? Maybe natural blonde mixed with lavender?
 

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« Reply #7 on: 22 Oct 18 / 05:44 AM »
Use a little more dye if it's not doing anything. You need a darker colour. The plus with it is, you can keep trying until it works!

Are you sure that semi doesn't have developer? I don't know all brands, so I can't really say for sure, but I do know that many that claim to be semi dyes are more like demi dyes. Personally I don't like those kinds of dyes, well, or natural blondes, so I don't use them! If it'll work better, I doubt it. Honey blonde will add more yellow, hence the name honey, not tone out yellow you already have. Unless I know what kind of dye the Ion one really is, I won't suggest mixing it.

I wouldn't use a lavender dye, they're almost always too weak and you'll have the same problem as you had with the dye in conditioner. You likely need a lavender colour, but a bit deeper, or at least more pigmented. Lavender dyes are almost always very weakly pigmented.
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« Reply #8 on: 31 Oct 18 / 01:11 AM »
Semi permanent dyes are direct and shouldn't be used with a developer. The one I got, Ion, is peroxide and ammonia free.

I actually got Light Plum which turned out not too bad. It looks pretty red in these photos. In person you can see some purple tones. It certain lighting it looks brown. Second photo is after 3 washes.
 

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« Reply #9 on: 01 Nov 18 / 07:11 PM »
Looks great :) Iím glad you found something that works.

No, as I say, semi dyes arenít supposed to have developer. Many companies do call them semis though, when they should be called a demi. Also, thereís some dyes that claim theyíre peroxide free and you just mix them with water. What they neglect to say is thereís a chemical reaction with the water and it makes peroxide. Itís very tricksy marketing. So, my advice is, if itís a true semi, stick to calling it a direct dye and itíll be understood better on these forums that you know the dye youíre talking about :) weíve found we have to check or people use them and then come back blaming us when theyíve used a dye with peroxide because it was called a semi and wasnít and itís damaged their hair further!
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« Reply #10 on: 02 Nov 18 / 07:31 AM »
Looks great :) Iím glad you found something that works.

No, as I say, semi dyes arenít supposed to have developer. Many companies do call them semis though, when they should be called a demi. Also, thereís some dyes that claim theyíre peroxide free and you just mix them with water. What they neglect to say is thereís a chemical reaction with the water and it makes peroxide. Itís very tricksy marketing. So, my advice is, if itís a true semi, stick to calling it a direct dye and itíll be understood better on these forums that you know the dye youíre talking about :) weíve found we have to check or people use them and then come back blaming us when theyíve used a dye with peroxide because it was called a semi and wasnít and itís damaged their hair further!

Thanks! Yeah I get that. I think it's common for box dyes to call dyes that are technically demi semi permanent. Most beauty supply stores seem to sell real direct semi permanent dyes. The Ion brand isn't too bad though I can't rave about the staying power. 4 washes now and it's almost out. Their claim is 10-15 washes and I don't see that happening.
 

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« Reply #11 on: 02 Nov 18 / 05:24 PM »
Oh, Sallyís etc has been terrible for getting it wrong in the past! Many of the staff are the problem too, they arenít highly trained and rarely have hairdressing experience, they just learn bits through the job. So frequently theyíre the source of bad information sadly.

Ion seems very hit and miss. Iíve never used it myself. Some of the dyes seem to wash out super fast, but some stain so much they donít even fade, let alone come out at all!

There are ways of making your dye last much longer though. https://www.hairdyeforum.com/index.php/topic,11009.0.html
I do the conditioner wash only method mostly. My hair is always clean, though it does take more effort to scrub my scalp, but my dye barely fades at all. Though thatís not so great when Iím keen to change colour lol
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« Reply #12 on: 04 Nov 18 / 12:02 AM »
Oh, Sallyís etc has been terrible for getting it wrong in the past! Many of the staff are the problem too, they arenít highly trained and rarely have hairdressing experience, they just learn bits through the job. So frequently theyíre the source of bad information sadly.

Ion seems very hit and miss. Iíve never used it myself. Some of the dyes seem to wash out super fast, but some stain so much they donít even fade, let alone come out at all!

There are ways of making your dye last much longer though. https://www.hairdyeforum.com/index.php/topic,11009.0.html
 
I do the conditioner wash only method mostly. My hair is always clean, though it does take more effort to scrub my scalp, but my dye barely fades at all. Though thatís not so great when Iím keen to change colour lol

Oh I agree about Sally's! I've had bad advice there before. I've gotten to know which of the staff actually has hairdressing experience. The one girl I dealt with clearly didn't because when I second guessed using the dye she recommended and went back to talk to another employee (who I found out is a hairdresser, as she talks about products she uses on her clients) I was told to absolutely NOT use that dye.
 

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« Reply #13 on: 12 Nov 18 / 08:45 PM »
Just give your hair a break before you try again with a different one.
 

 

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