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Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« on: 27 Aug 17 / 03:34 AM »
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So I bleached my hair today using Clairol BW2 and a 20 volume developer. I used a few Wella toners (T18 and T27) on test strands and nothing is working. From what I understand, I need to bleach it again (or just do a bleach bath) and if it's a yellow-ish color, then I could tone it? I've never bleached or used a toner before so any help would be great! Do you know when I could bleach it again? Should I wait a few days, weeks? I'm wanting to have level 8 or 9 blonde.

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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #1 on: 27 Aug 17 / 07:58 AM »
How long did you l abe the bleach on and how dark is your hair naturally? I don't know that bleach, but it looks like you need a better one with a 10% peroxide.

T18 is generally for very pale hair, more like level 10-11 to tone it to a pale ash blonde or even white. What result do you actually want?

I would forgo the wella timers all together, they're harsh and you can get as good results with silver shampoo, even on level 8-9 hair.
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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #2 on: 27 Aug 17 / 11:11 AM »
How long did you l abe the bleach on and how dark is your hair naturally? I don't know that bleach, but it looks like you need a better one with a 10% peroxide.

T18 is generally for very pale hair, more like level 10-11 to tone it to a pale ash blonde or even white. What result do you actually want?

I would forgo the wella timers all together, they're harsh and you can get as good results with silver shampoo, even on level 8-9 hair.

I let it sit on for 25 mins, the last 5 mins I did the roots.

In the past I used to dye my natural hair with L'Oreal Superior Preference Permanent dye in Champagne Blonde and it looked like the pictures below. I want to get back to that shade of blonde - the last two pictures below.


Here's a list of what I've done so far:

Natural hair + L'Oreal Superior Preference in Champagne Blonde (Feb '17)
---decided I wanted to go brunette
Used a red color filler + brown semi permanent dye (April/May)
---after about a month, decided I wanted to go back blonde
Used Color Oops and it turned a reddish/orange-blonde (June)
Covered that with an ash demi permanent and it took out the orange and I was left with a shade a little darker than my natural color (the first pic below)
Then I bleached it today

Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Not sure where I should go from here as I'm new to bleaching.
 

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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #3 on: 27 Aug 17 / 01:42 PM »
Ok, color oops isn't great and it's damaging, try color fix. You need to try and remove as much of the dye as possible so you can use that up to three times to get the maximum payoff.

25 mins isn't all that long. Is that the time the package of bleach powder stated?
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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #4 on: 27 Aug 17 / 03:11 PM »
Ok, color oops isn't great and it's damaging, try color fix. You need to try and remove as much of the dye as possible so you can use that up to three times to get the maximum payoff.

25 mins isn't all that long. Is that the time the package of bleach powder stated?

Forgot to mention that I did the red color filler + brown semi back in May, so the only part of my hair that still has the color filler is the middle section, at the very ends; where it's longer. Since I have a pixie the red color filler has been trimmed from the sides/back.

Were you suggesting using Color Fix to remove the color filler + semi brown, or do you mean use it to remove the ash blonde demi? I used the ash blonde back in June, so that one is still in my hair.

I thought bleach would be strong enough to remove a semi/demi dye, but I'm not sure? Sorry for any confusion, I modified my last post with the months when I used everything.

And yes, the bleach said you could leave it for up to 30 mins. Since I've never bleached before I got a little nervous near the end and washed it early!
 

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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #5 on: 27 Aug 17 / 03:56 PM »
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Forgot to mention that I did the red color filler + brown semi back in May, so the only part of my hair that still has the color filler is the middle section, at the very ends; where it's longer. Since I have a pixie the red color filler has been trimmed from the sides/back.

Yeah, but you still need to remove it from the hair it's still on before moving on. Or at least, as much as you can.

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Were you suggesting using Color Fix to remove the color filler + semi brown, or do you mean use it to remove the ash blonde demi? I used the ash blonde back in June, so that one is still in my hair.

Everything really, you need a clean slate as much as possible.

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I thought bleach would be strong enough to remove a semi/demi dye, but I'm not sure? Sorry for any confusion, I modified my last post with the months when I used everything.

It's a common misconception. Bleach isn't designed to remove dye/tint. It can, but it very often doesn't and rarely effectively. That means your hair can be getting lighter and lighter but it's disguised by the dye that isn't being removed. Which means your hair is getting more and more damaged with no result showing.

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And yes, the bleach said you could leave it for up to 30 mins. Since I've never bleached before I got a little nervous near the end and washed it early!

That's interesting and not something I've seen before. Makes me think it's not designed for lifting hair several levels, but I might be wrong.
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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #6 on: 27 Aug 17 / 06:29 PM »
Ah, that makes sense! Thanks!

Ok, so I'll color remove and then see what shade it is then. How long do you think I should wait before color removing? 3-4 days for oils to build up?
 

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« Reply #7 on: 27 Aug 17 / 07:13 PM »
You can do the colour remover straight away and one after the other! They're drying, but use a good conditioner and you'll be fine. They need super clean hair as well, so wash with a clarifying shampoo and DON'T condition. Dry it and then you're ready. As it has no ammonia or peroxide the cuticles need to be as clear of dirt as possible so the remover can get under (peroxide lifts the cuticle so the bleach/dye can get into the hair!)
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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #8 on: 28 Aug 17 / 08:25 AM »
You can do the colour remover straight away and one after the other! They're drying, but use a good conditioner and you'll be fine. They need super clean hair as well, so wash with a clarifying shampoo and DON'T condition. Dry it and then you're ready. As it has no ammonia or peroxide the cuticles need to be as clear of dirt as possible so the remover can get under (peroxide lifts the cuticle so the bleach/dye can get into the hair!)

Ok, so I washed with Head and Shoulders, blow dried, did the color remover, and then followed up with a protein complex and then a deep conditioner for an hour. I can definitely tell that the color remover worked! It's a lot more yellow than orange now - Thank you!! What do you think I should do next? I was thinking color remover again or maybe try purple shampoo?
 

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« Reply #9 on: 28 Aug 17 / 09:44 AM »
That's good. But get a clarifying shampoo. Head and shoulders is pretty good for cleansing, but you need to make sure any products are completely gone as some can really linger. I would try another colour remover though.

Once you've done that I think you'll need to do a bleach bath or two to get the shade a bit lighter. You need to leave it a week after the colour remover and really you should leave it until it's been a month since your last full bleach to make sure there's not too much damage from it. At which point purple shampoo should get you there :)
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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #10 on: 28 Aug 17 / 11:52 PM »
That's good. But get a clarifying shampoo. Head and shoulders is pretty good for cleansing, but you need to make sure any products are completely gone as some can really linger. I would try another colour remover though.

Once you've done that I think you'll need to do a bleach bath or two to get the shade a bit lighter. You need to leave it a week after the colour remover and really you should leave it until it's been a month since your last full bleach to make sure there's not too much damage from it. At which point purple shampoo should get you there :)

Ok, thank you so, so much for all the help! I'm going out to get some more color remover, clarifying shampoo, and purple shampoo today! Do you know if purple shampoo alone would get me to the shade I want (the shade I used to have with the L'Oreal Champagne Blonde) or would I have to use purple and a dye? I guess it might be too early to tell?
 

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« Reply #11 on: 29 Aug 17 / 07:24 AM »
The purple shampoo will be fine if you want ash tones. If what you actually want is warm tones, then you might need a dye, but NOT a permanent one.
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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #12 on: 13 Sep 17 / 02:14 AM »
Hi again! So I did the color remover a few weeks ago and am ready to start bleach washing. I included some pics of what it looks like now, both outside and inside (since it's definitely more orange outside, but looks blonde inside). I didn't notice much of a difference after doing the color remover for a third time, and the orange color is everywhere, so I'm thinking there isn't any color left to remove and the orange is from the bleach.

So a bleach wash is bleach and 20 vol in a 1:2 ratio and then diluted with white shampoo (I think equal to the amount of bleach/developer mix). Then leave it on for 20 minutes or maybe you'd recommend longer or less time? Do you know how long I should wait before doing the second bleach wash, if I need to?
 

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« Reply #13 on: 13 Sep 17 / 06:03 PM »
The bleach wash sounds a bit like the bleach bath, although the ratio is a bit different: instead of 1 part bleach powder on 2 parts developer, it would be 1 part bleach, 1 part developer and 1 part shampoo. At least with my bleach it's like that.

Bleach baths should have at least a week between them, but lets face it: the longer the better. Still bleach, still need to baby your hair.

As for the time: I would just check regularly and keep the max. time of the bleach in mind. My hair flared up quite fast so perhaps you don't need that much time. Looking at your current hair colour, that could be the case.
 
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« Reply #14 on: 14 Sep 17 / 01:18 AM »
The bleach wash sounds a bit like the bleach bath, although the ratio is a bit different: instead of 1 part bleach powder on 2 parts developer, it would be 1 part bleach, 1 part developer and 1 part shampoo. At least with my bleach it's like that.

Bleach baths should have at least a week between them, but lets face it: the longer the better. Still bleach, still need to baby your hair.

As for the time: I would just check regularly and keep the max. time of the bleach in mind. My hair flared up quite fast so perhaps you don't need that much time. Looking at your current hair colour, that could be the case.

I thought a bleach bath and wash was the same thing - so thanks for clarifying! I'll probably do a test strand before bleach washing everything just to get an idea on the time. The goal is to get my hair from an orange to a yellow color, right? That way I could then dye over it with a level 8.5? Thanks again for the help!
 

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« Reply #15 on: 14 Sep 17 / 01:43 AM »
Personally I don't know bleach washes, but it just reminded me.  ;) A strandtest is a good idea, I *should* do that too. I would use coconut oil BEFORE doing the bleach bath to prevent a damaged, burning or itchy scalp and it seems to reduce the damage on your hair. So: don't wash your hair at least two days prior, slam the coconut oil on it (I like to do it the night before and sleep with it, but at least an hour, two hours prior), do the bleach bath and see where you are!

Just to make sure: you don't wash the oil out. Lots of people get confused, including me back in the days. Bleach will go through it anyway. The only thing you need to be sure about that the oil doesn't get hard in your hair. I already have trouble with keeping it liquid, I use my new found friend the hairdryer.  ;D

What kind of dye do you want to use? Because I wouldn't use a box dye over a bleach job straight away!
 

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« Reply #16 on: 14 Sep 17 / 03:29 AM »
Personally I don't know bleach washes, but it just reminded me.  ;) A strandtest is a good idea, I *should* do that too. I would use coconut oil BEFORE doing the bleach bath to prevent a damaged, burning or itchy scalp and it seems to reduce the damage on your hair. So: don't wash your hair at least two days prior, slam the coconut oil on it (I like to do it the night before and sleep with it, but at least an hour, two hours prior), do the bleach bath and see where you are!

Just to make sure: you don't wash the oil out. Lots of people get confused, including me back in the days. Bleach will go through it anyway. The only thing you need to be sure about that the oil doesn't get hard in your hair. I already have trouble with keeping it liquid, I use my new found friend the hairdryer.  ;D

What kind of dye do you want to use? Because I wouldn't use a box dye over a bleach job straight away!

I'm definitely going to do the coconut oil treatment beforehand this time! I didn't know about that the first time but I've seen a bunch of people doing that before bleaching - so I'll be sure to try it!

Janine said not to use a permanent dye after the bleach baths, so I was going to find a demi blonde 8.5A to use. But I was thinking about that and it would work fine to bring my bleached hair down to a level 8.5, but when my roots grow out the demi wouldn't be able to lift my natural level 6 hair to 8.5, so I'd need to use a permanent anyway, right? Or maybe she meant that permanent would be too damaging after bleaching, so use a demi on my bleached hair but then use permanent when the roots grow out - that makes sense too.

I'm wanting to stay the same shade of blonde I used to be - no more experimenting for me for a while! I love the L'Oreal 8.5A Champagne blonde, so I'm trying to find a demi color close to that one to use.
 

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« Reply #17 on: 14 Sep 17 / 05:45 AM »
Janine is the best here when it comes to advice and yes, the box dye immediately after the bleach would potentially damage your hair beyond repair. I wouldn't use a demi immediately as well as demi's still contain peroxide. You want to keep it away from your hair as long as possible to get your hair in the best condition.

I would try to tone it to your preferred shade, it's a bit of a cool pinkish blond, right? Perhaps a severely, incredibly diluted pink-peachy semi would work?

You could use the box dye for your roots eventually. Perhaps Lóreal has it also in their professional ranges and it's possible to use a lower peroxide again. I'm still learning about the professional permanent dyes as the regular drugstore dyes are way too harsh for my taste, but you can always look it up.
 

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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #18 on: 14 Sep 17 / 06:23 AM »
Ok, thanks - yeah I was thinking that would completely fry my hair!

Another thing I was considering was a blue dye to cancel out the orange tones, that way I could just avoid bleaching again altogether. I think another option is using an ash blonde demi with a blue base as a toner, and then toning afterward with purple shampoo if needed. I think that would work? Of course I'd do a test strand first.

I've been thinking about doing that since I believe it would be less damage. I can hold off on the color I'm aiming for for a while and just have whatever shade of blonde that gives me.
 

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Re: Bleach to Level 8/9 Blonde
« Reply #19 on: 14 Sep 17 / 06:52 AM »
Instead of a bleach bath?

Hmm, what I can see on the pictures, the chances are a DIY blue dye toner wouldn't be enough to tackle the brass and/or could go to a yucky brown, depending how strong you would make the toner.

The ash blonde demi: I don't know whether that would work enough. The blonde you want seems to be warmer than the usual ash colours. Ash tones have the habit with me to give greenish tint, so possibly you have to counter it with a warm-toned colour instead of the usual purple. Purple is to counter yellow and might not be necessary here.

I would do a strandtest with both options. A bleach bath, assuming you will be using the 20 vol developer, would probably be as damaging as the demi. But with the strand test you can see what will work out for your hair best. 

For the future, it might be interesting to research different bleach powders as some work way better than others, needing less time and a lower developer and therefore lower damage.
 
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« Reply #20 on: 14 Sep 17 / 07:46 AM »
Ok, thanks so much! I'll look into a blue dye and also different bleaches to see which is best, and then try test strands with both and see what happens. I've seen quite a few people use Quick Blue bleach, but I'm not sure if that's because it's the least damaging - I'll do some more research and some test strands though. Thanks again for the help/advice!
 

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« Reply #21 on: 14 Sep 17 / 07:51 AM »
Hey,  you're wiser than I am.  :D *Has never done a strandtest. Ever.*
With the blue dye: try several strengths. It's best to start with a tiny drop in a huge amount of conditioner and adding more if necessary. Also be careful as lighter, non brassy parts could turn blueish/greenish given the amount of yellow. My best friend ended up with lilac hair as she just dunked a huge amount of plum in conditioner.  :P
 

 

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