Username: Stay Logged In
 
Password:  

Add Beeunique on Social Media...

Beeunique Facebook Beeunique Pinterest Beeunique Google+ Beeunique TwitterBeeunique YoutubeBeeunique Instagram

NOTE: Beeunique ship worldwide - including USA & Canada

Author Topic: Starting up a business  (Read 1712 times)  Share 

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Starting up a business
« on: 25 Feb 16 / 11:56 AM »
Hi ladies, I know some of you are self-employed in creative fields and I wonder if I could pick your brains...

I've recently moved to live with my boyfriend and to do any kind of work here at all I have to have a work permit. What I want to do is continue what I did back in Manchester and sell my paintings online, do commissions for people, paint bedroom wall murals etc but in order to gain a self employed work permit they want me to enclose a business plan. I'm looking at examples online and I'm really struggling to equate them to what I do, does anybody have any advice?  *stars*
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 4072
  • Thanked: 393 times
    • Janine Basil Pop Accessories
  • Location: Manchester
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #1 on: 25 Feb 16 / 12:31 PM »
I've never actually done one, but all you really have to do is this.

Outline the business. 
What will you be doing and what will you be producing/service you will be providing? You've answered that here already!
How will people find you?
How will you work out the pricing?

Who are your customers.
Young or old?
What do they do for a living and what are their lifestyles like?
Do they already use this service or are you providing a new service to fill a gap?
Why will they buy from you?

I'd find a free template online and just write all that down. It's not easy and I've never done a real one. But it's not something that is set in stone once you do it, you just have to show you have an idea of what you're doing and you're not just shouting into the wind.

New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #2 on: 25 Feb 16 / 01:06 PM »
That makes so much more sense now Janine, thank you so much :) I'm definitely a lot more suited to the creative side of things rather than the business side but I think I can manage something like that!
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 4072
  • Thanked: 393 times
    • Janine Basil Pop Accessories
  • Location: Manchester
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #3 on: 26 Feb 16 / 07:58 AM »
Yeah, I am too! I only know about it because it was part of a few courses I've done over the years, including my fashion design HND (I never did a degree as I could never work out what I actually wanted to do... Fashion was far from the right thing really). It was drummed into me. I'd still poop my pants if I actually had to do one.

I've never really been able to work out who my customer is supposed to be because the reality is, I know my customers are a wide range of ages, backgrounds and tastes! For the purposes of the plan though, you just need to come up the one that makes most sense. As I say, it's not something set in stone, you just need to show that you have an idea of what you're doing.
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #4 on: 26 Feb 16 / 09:11 AM »
I'm sort of glad to hear you didn't do a degree as well to be honest, I did the first year of a degree in 3D Design. I was granted a place on 'direct progression' from my Foundation in Art and Design and my tutors felt this course would give me access to more facilities (glass, ceramic etc) than Fine Art, but I realised pretty quickly that it was very much a product design course and they wouldn't let me transfer without paying the fees for the full first year then starting the first year again on Fine Art which would have led to me owing nearly 40 grand in tuition fees alone! I don't feel like leaving was a mistake but I do feel like starting there in the first place was. There was nothing in our course about managing your own portfolio as it was all tailored towards getting employment with a big design company - basically when I think of my tutor all I picture him saying is "that's nice, but what about if you made it into a chair?"

I sort of feel the same, as a lot of my work is commissioned my customer can be literally anybody but I think I can come up with something to at least put down. It's not as if I'm applying for a loan from them, just for permission to trade here. I think in the additional information part of the application I'm going to state that in order for my boyfriend to return here to benefit their workforce with the degree the government here paid for I have had to come along - there's no uni here and it seems ridiculous that they expect people to come back after uni but they can't bring someone with them unless they get married! (Obviously I won't put it as stroppily as that ha! )
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 4072
  • Thanked: 393 times
    • Janine Basil Pop Accessories
  • Location: Manchester
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #5 on: 26 Feb 16 / 04:46 PM »
There was a while when I thought my partner would get a job in the states. In fact, he basically did, but then they changed their mind... not long after, that part of the company was disbanded so it didn't happen. But in that time I was looking into what I would need to do to be able to work. I couldn't! In no way would I be able to work and I could only run my business if it was from the UK and earned over $250,000 a year! Nope. I'd have to go there and do nothing. It's so bizarre. And that's even if we were married. Sucks.

I think almost anywhere else in the world, that I looked into anyway, I'd be able to work or even take along my business. Ah well! Luckily it didn't happen :)

I really hate that they pretty much all want you to be married. I've been with Lee for 9 years now and I can prove it in several ways. It still wouldn't matter. Even though it's longer than a lot of friends marriages!
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #6 on: 26 Feb 16 / 07:46 PM »
Crazy isn't it? I didn't realise it would be that strict in america though - that really would have been harsh for you! I'm only in the Isle of Man but because it's self-governing I have to have a work permit for anything at all that I do. I actually got offered a part time job within days of arriving on the Island but after 2 months of deliberating the government decided I couldn't have a permit for it and the employer had to take on someone local who had applied but had far less experience! So this is basically my second shot at it, if I can't get a self employed permit I'm not sure what I'll do - I don't want to get forced into getting married when I don't feel like it's time - like you say, being with someone for that length of time should count for something! We've been together over 5 years, but getting married just isn't our priority at the moment.
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 4072
  • Thanked: 393 times
    • Janine Basil Pop Accessories
  • Location: Manchester
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #7 on: 26 Feb 16 / 11:00 PM »
Ah! I didn't know that about the Isle of Man, though I knew it was self-governing so I should have realised. My mum is Manx originally, but I've still not had chance to visit.

New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #8 on: 27 Feb 16 / 01:51 PM »
 Really? You should come over, it's really beautiful in the summer! If you do ever plan a trip give me a shout and I'll be your tour guide  ;D
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • Junior Hair Addict
  • **
  • Posts: 91
  • An original surprise <3
  • Current Colour: Crazy Color - Pinkissimo
  • Location: Scotland
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #9 on: 19 Mar 16 / 02:32 AM »
I'd love to have your courage to start my own business. Congrats! I'm the kinda person that works 'behind' the scenes....does computer related work. If you are ever looking for someone to help in that field give me a hollar hahaha.
No, seriously, just research, research and more research!
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #10 on: 21 Mar 16 / 11:11 AM »
Thanks Jaffacake! :) it's a bit scary but I'm getting there slowly!
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #11 on: 22 Jun 16 / 09:04 AM »
 Sorry for the double post, just wanted to say thanks for your help with the Business Plan Janine, it must have been ok coz they granted me the work permit!  :D
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • Senior Hair Addict
  • ****
  • Posts: 239
  • Thanked: 22 times
  • Current Colour: blonde
  • Location: philadelphia
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #12 on: 22 Jun 16 / 10:42 PM »
Congrats!! That's awesome!! I have a very small massage business and I remember all the stuff I had to do to prove I had a license and renting a commercial space and the business plan, I feel like I worked on it till my eyes bled. But all turned out well, good luck on your business and fingers crossed there are no more bumps in the road for you!!
life is too short to have boring hair...
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #13 on: 23 Jun 16 / 09:59 AM »
Thank you Emmer :) it really is much more hard work than you originally imagine isn't it? Satisfying to be doing something you love though!
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 4072
  • Thanked: 393 times
    • Janine Basil Pop Accessories
  • Location: Manchester
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #14 on: 23 Jun 16 / 10:27 AM »
Agh, another comment I made that disappeared.   -r-

I had said, I'm so glad it worked out! :D

I also commented on your post from the moan thread. Custom work not being right was the reason I stopped doing fully custom work for brides. I'd end up doing the items over and over tweaking little things that I ended up losing money! It wasn't worth the agro. Just say no to portraits now if you don't want to do them. Trust me, the stress saved makes up for any lost revenue in the end!
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • Senior Hair Addict
  • ****
  • Posts: 239
  • Thanked: 22 times
  • Current Colour: blonde
  • Location: philadelphia
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #15 on: 23 Jun 16 / 04:25 PM »
yes I totally agree with Janine, I wouldn't do portraits either, since you cant be in someone's head to know truly what they want. I have run into trouble with massage, some people come into my loft and insist they want deep pressure and they can handle it and then I give them exactly what they ask for and they complain that I'm hurting them! And I even have in depth consultations with all my clients before we start so they know exactly what is coming and some people still walk away unhappy. If I've learned anything from owning my own business its that you can't make everyone happy. But at the end of the day as long as your doing what makes you happy, the good clients will come to you.
life is too short to have boring hair...
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #16 on: 23 Jun 16 / 04:39 PM »
Thanks guys, it's frustrating isn't it when you put yourself out to try to make someone happy and there doesn't seem to be anything you can do to please them! I think I'll see how the pet portraits go for now, but I'm never doing one of an adult ever again! It's not like I even have a photo realistic style, I told those people my work is more illustrationy and show them loads of examples of stuff I'd done! I know what you mean about ending up out of pocket Janine, even without taking this painting back and fixing it I've earnt about 3 an hour on it! I think I need to get tough!
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 4072
  • Thanked: 393 times
    • Janine Basil Pop Accessories
  • Location: Manchester
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #17 on: 13 Jul 16 / 03:37 PM »
On a slightly different note, I had a message from someone working for a subscription box thing. I will never register for one of them again after the amount of money they told me was the budget.

They wanted an item that involves a lot of hand cutting so takes around an hour and a half to make, sometimes more, and costs 19 to buy from me. They offered me 2 a piece because the advertising I'll get is "priceless".

So, taking it conservatively, at 1 hour per piece and they wanted 500+. That's at least 500 hours. The materials cost 2. So, I get the money for the materials. Ok, so, 500 hours in days is 20 solid days. That's not including breaks or even sleep. 20 days unpaid. In the meantime, I can't earn any other money. Even if I spread this out over a couple of months, I still couldn't earn enough to keep me on top.

I was, frankly, insulted and shocked that's how they work. I signed up for one once, but it was all big manufacturers that provided the goods (apart from one item that looked like it was from a slightly smaller business). They can absorb the costs of this kind of thing better. It's impossible for me. I've never been able to answer as I don't trust myself to not get nasty lol
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #18 on: 13 Jul 16 / 08:07 PM »
That's a pretty shocking offer! 500 hours work with no profit is just plain unreasonable to ask of a person.

I think back to some of the stuff I used to do before I knew better and I used to believe people who told me I'd benefit in experience or exposure and I can't believe I did them. (The other week I saw a van with a logo on that was taken from a flyer I did as a favour for the people running the company when they were opening their first shop - at first I thought 'that font looks like my handwriting' then I realised it WAS my handwriting when I remembered the company name! I never even got so much as a freebie from the shop for that!).

It really irritates me when people ask me to do stuff for them but then they pull out when I say I need to charge them (usually at a price that only just covers materials and a tiny profit for me)- like it's my job, I wouldn't expect them to give me cost price on my groceries or jeans or whatever they work with!
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • Senior Hair Addict
  • ****
  • Posts: 239
  • Thanked: 22 times
  • Current Colour: blonde
  • Location: philadelphia
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #19 on: 13 Jul 16 / 08:37 PM »
I've definitely run into this problem a lot with my massage business, everybody thinks that just because I can massage means that every time I go to a friends house or to a family members house that I should give them a massage for free! Like do they realize what they are asking! It gets so irritating sometimes, I feel like I can't go anywhere without someone asking for a freebie. How would they like it if I came and asked them to work while being off the clock and then get not so much as a thank you after an hours worth of labor that leaves me tired. They would hit the floor if I charged them for all the free massages I gave them, seeing as I get $75 / hour!! But I do keep tally, lol. I think for Christmas everybody is getting a bill from me.
life is too short to have boring hair...
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #20 on: 14 Jul 16 / 09:34 AM »
I can imagine Emmer, one of my friends does reflexology and she often offers to do it for me to keep her in practice (she doesn't do it for a living at the moment) but I still always feel guilty! She will never take money for it but I always at least bring her wine as payment.

I always think back to when I was really little and my gran (who was very old school glam and never washed her own hair, always got it washed and set by her hairdresser) used to try to encourage me to be a hairdresser when I grew up so that she could have it done for free - my mum used to go crazy as she isn't into glam stuff at all and wanted me to focus on more intellectual pursuits! Sadly neither of them got their wish and they got a scruffy artist instead!
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

  • Senior Hair Addict
  • ****
  • Posts: 239
  • Thanked: 22 times
  • Current Colour: blonde
  • Location: philadelphia
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #21 on: 14 Jul 16 / 05:24 PM »
Good for you not falling into peer pressure! Its funny you said that, my parents wanted me to be a pediatrician, and instead got a massage therapist, lol. But they are loving the benefits of me being able to work out all the aches and pains  ::)
life is too short to have boring hair...
 

  • *
  • Posts: 1143
  • Thanked: 94 times
  • Current Colour: Adore Mahogany over box brown, with oilslick peekaboo!
  • Location: UK
Re: Starting up a business
« Reply #22 on: 14 Jul 16 / 08:51 PM »
Yes I can imagine you come in handy haha! (no pun intended!)
New Here?  Please read the Forum Rules before posting. *rules*
Please click the *heart* button on the top line if a post is helpful to you.
 

 

There was an error while thanking
Thanking...
The Hair Dye Forum uses cookies, please click here for more informations
Created & Maintained by Beeunique © 2009-2016

Alternative Hair Dyes and Accessories