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Combination Color Stripper
« on: 12 Oct 13 / 03:58 PM »
I've found this a great way to help fade semi permanent hair color. I have found many different kinds of fading treatments here and online, like vitamin C treatments, using an anti-dandruff shampoo and letting it sit in the hair, etc. All of these are great, but as someone who only washes her hair every 7-10 days, actively fading my hair color drives me bonkers with all the repeated washing. So, I figured, why not combine a bunch of the techniques I have found into one, jumbo treatment?

First, before you go all out and try this fading treatment, I highly recommend trying the ones mentioned here:
http://www.hairdyeforum.com/index.php?topic=1704.0
Doing some of those fading treatments may be enough to fade your color to where you need it to be. If you're like me though and have tried some, the water is nearly running clear and you're about to buy a color remover, then I would definitely try this one first!

This fading treatment consists of pretty common household products for the most part. If you don’t have anti dandruff shampoo, just use any shampoo that has sulfates in it and/or is not “color safe. I really just eyeballed these, but the measurements I have given are to give you a basic idea of what to use. No need to be fancy and break out the measuring spoons!

Ingredients:
* Shower cap/cling film/plastic shopping bags to cap over the head
* 2/3 cup of anti-dandruff shampoo
*  2-10 vitamin c tablets crushed into powder
*  1 tablespoon baking soda dissolved in 1tbsp hot water
*  1/3 teaspoon honey
*  1/2 teaspoon olive oil
*  1/2 teaspoon coconut oil
*  1-3 tablespoons dish washing liquid (Dawn, Palmolive, Fairy, etc)
*  1 tablespoon 20 vol developer (optional)*

*I tried this first without the developer and it removed a lot! Then I tried it again right after, but with the developer + it took out even more which surprised me since it was my 2nd time doing it.

1. Shampoo and rinse with warm to hot water, do not condition.
2. Mix the ingredients together. The mixture will be frothy and expand a little, and feel slightly warmer. Don’t freak out, his is totally normal and okay! If it puffs up too much just give it a quick mix again and it will go back down.
3. Apply it to the hair. I find it easier to separate my hair into quadrants or “hot cross bun sections” and apply it that way, but whatever is easiest for you.
4. Once it is applied, worth it through the hair, gently massaging it into the hair to help pull out those pesky color molecules. It will be rather frothy, and the frothiness should be the color of the pigment you are trying to fade. Every so often, squeeze downwards on a section of hair, pulling the pigmented frothiness out, and chuck it in the sink/tub. Just be careful as this can stain surfaces! Do this for 5-10 minutes.
5. Next, put a shower cap/cling film/plastic shopping bag over your head and secure it so its snug. This is to trap heat and moisture in. Let set for 15 minutes.
6. Rinse out and shampoo well, preferably twice with warm to hot water, to make sure all the ingredients are out of the hair. If, when it is dried, it feels filmy, then shampoo again. If not doing an after treatment, then condition as usual and rinse with cool to cold water.

Like after completing most other fading treatments, the hair will feel dry after doing this. So, you can choose to do this After Treatment. It helps balance the pH of the hair, replenishes lost oils, and hydrates the hair.  As a bonus, the oils may pull a little bit more color out too.

After Treatment Ingredients:

*  vinegar
*  hydrating  conditioner
*  olive oil
*  coconut oil

1. After shampooing and rinsing the hair, condition your hair as you normally would or you could choose to leave it on for longer if you like. Rinse when done with cool to cold water.
2. Dry the hair. Dry it with a blow dryer or let it air dry, either way, though letting it air dry is healthier for the hair.
3. Once dry, mix some coconut oil with some olive oil and slather it on the hair. Leave it in for as long as you choose, but for at least a couple hours.
4. Lastly, do a vinegar rinse to help close the cuticle back down. A vinegar rinse is a 50/50 mix of regular white vinegar to water. Just pour it over your hair and gently massage and work it through. You can choose to leave it in the hair, or rinse it out with cool to cold water.

Explanation of ingredients:
The vitamin C tablets, anti-dandruff/sulfate based shampoo + baking soda are typical, common ways of fading semi-permanent hair color. Honey can be a natural lightener and adds shine to hair by acting as a humectant. The olive oil and coconut oil are used to help combat dryness that some of the other ingredients cause. Most of the ingredients are alkaline and lift the cuticle, but I added the other ingredients (oils, honey, etc) to help combat the drying effect they have but mainly to try and shift the color from a conditioning, acidic standpoint. But I used a smaller ratio of acidity in it so that the cuticle doesn't just close from using too much of it, which would make the whole thing far less effective. The small amount of 20 vol peroxide is used to try and lift the cuticle somewhat to help release color molecules more easily. The developer is totally optional. This still removes a lot of color even without it.

 I hope I can help others with this! Just be sure to really rinse and shampoo well after to make sure you have rinsed out all of the vitamin c, baking soda, and honey so your hair doesn’t feel filmy.

And since this uses peroxide, if you do use it, treat it as if it were a bleach bath and do not use anything else with peroxide for at least 1 week, just to be on the safe side.

I am amazed by how well this fading treatment works. From root to about 6 in down I had a mix of Pravana Blue, Pravana Violet, and Manic Panic After Midnight Blue on my hair, then I had permanent black. A month after dying the blue, my color hadn’t budged at all. It was a tad brighter, but that was it. It still looked like I had just dyed it. I did a few vitamin C treatments, Head and Shoulders treatments with baking soda mixed in and it pulled color out but it just looked a tad faded and was still a dark blue, just less vibrant. I did this combo for the first time, without the developer in it, and it took out a lot! The water was running clear after it which was disappointing because there was still so much blue pigment in it. So I tried it again, adding the 20 vol developer to it, not expecting much since my water had run clear, but I was desperate. To my surprise, it pulled out even more color than the first time! After that, the color was a lighter, steely, slate blue/grey. I was so happy with the amount that came out!

After that I did 2 color removers (One N Only Colorfix) and did a 30 vol bleach bath allover to try and get rid of the black dye and the rest of the blue. The black was gone but I had a ring going around my hair starting a couple inches from my scalp and going about 4 more inches down that was a dead leaf/muddy, murky sea foam green. I tried a test strand of another 30 vol bleach bath and the green barely even budged! I was desperate. I figured what the hell, might as well at least try to see if it will fade out, but I highly doubted it. Lo and behold, to my surprise, it took out literally about 90% of the green! The only green left was in spots I was not as thorough with during the massaging part of the treatment, like by my temples and right behind one of my ears and a piece underneath. But the gross green ring throughout my hair was completely gone!

So if you are trying to actively fade your color, or hate all the repeated washing and rinsing that comes with actively fading, or you have some color still on even after using color removers and/or bleach baths, this treatment is totally worth a try. You most likely have all the ingredients in your house anyway! I have found it to be much more effective and remove a lot more color than just doing a normal, 1-2 ingredient fading treatment, and I hope you will too!

Always remember to consider what your hair is going to feel like after processing it BEFORE you do it! Test strands, treatments/oils are important when it comes to hair, but the most important thing is patience!
 

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Re: Color Fading Treatment NOW WITH UPDATE
« Reply #1 on: 01 Nov 13 / 08:11 AM »
do you have any pictures to show the colours?  :)
 

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Re: Color Fading Treatment NOW WITH UPDATE
« Reply #2 on: 01 Nov 13 / 02:33 PM »
No i should have taken them but both tims i really wasnt expecting anything dramatic so i didnt bother :( i wish i would have! If im ever needing to do this again i will for sure be taking before + after pictures, definitely. I just cannot believe it took almost all that green out. I really thought that after all the other stuff i had done, that it was a lost cause + it was just stained. I really wish i had pictures to show just how awesomely this works
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Re: Color Fading Treatment NOW WITH UPDATE
« Reply #3 on: 07 Dec 13 / 07:07 AM »
I'm going to try this tomorrow (my hair is so dry at the moment, it only looks 'normal' on about day 3 after washing, whereas before it was greasy on day 2... wah).  I have a couple ingredients to buy, but it's so worth a try - probably sans peroxide as a first go.

I just read this tutorial in detail and you talk about the colour of dried autumn leaves, ha ha.  I was suffering from bright autumn leaf orange/yellow/green before all the toning down with various stuff.  Now the strips that were blue/green look like a muddy water tone so the blue is just very well disguised!


Can't wait to try this, don't want to wait till tomorrow but have to - I'll report back!  If pictures come out and show any fading that you'd be able to see on photos, I'll definitely post them.
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Re: Color Fading Treatment NOW WITH UPDATE
« Reply #4 on: 07 Dec 13 / 03:51 PM »
Seems we both have suffered from "dead leaf" syndrome with our hair lol! If the origional blue/green that you had was from a semi, and you've put semis over it trying to tone it, this should pull out a lot of it. If the origional blue/green was from an oxidative dye, I'm not sure how well it will work or if it will at all, but it's worth a try being that it's not damaging like bleach and it's definitely cheaper than a color remover. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the blue/green tint from when you did a bleach bath and added the pearl blonde permanent in with the mixture? I don't know how well or even if it will pull that out, but you never know, it may! This treatment has surprised me a couple of times! I hope it does pull out that tinge that you've been trying to correct since so you can just focus on evening out the rest of it like you want to + not have to fuss with the blue/green anymore :)
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Re: Combination Color Fading Treatment
« Reply #5 on: 07 Dec 13 / 04:32 PM »
Katie, I'm interested to know if you tried any other the simpler methods before doing this. Only, I don't want to go to the effort of mixing all the items if it's not going to do much more than my normal bicarb with dandruff shampoo! :) Do you have a comparison?

I'd never do it with peroxide though, I fade way too often for that and I think a lot of us here do!

I also question using the vinegar before the oils and conditioner. Maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't it make most sense to use it last of all, and not rinse it out, so it gives the hair the final sealing shut? Do that before the conditioner and maybe there's no point in using conditioner?
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Re: Combination Color Fading Treatment
« Reply #6 on: 07 Dec 13 / 05:40 PM »
I'm glad you're interested, and thanks for asking questions about it :)

Before I first did this, I washed my hair abour 5 times with clarifying champoo, did 2 head and shoulders treatments, then I did another one but I added crushed up Vitamin C tablets to it, about 5. At that point I was considering going to a color remover because the water was almost clear, there was just a very slight baby blue tinge to it. So I looked on here some more and online and thought, "maybe I'll try adding baking soda...oh, this girl uses honey with baking soda....this girl uses baking soda and 10 vol...this girl dunks her head in a tub filled with water and baking soda and oils...." I wanted to try everything I could before buying the color remover and wanted to try them all but I hate washing my hair so much, so I just combined a bunch of them and added some other things in there too that wrote about in the origional post.

Actually, you are right about using the vinegar as the very last thing. I think I got ahead of myself there! Thanks for pointing that out :) You are very right, using it before conditioning and the oils is counter productive. I'm editing that right now! Thanks janine <3
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Re: Combination Color Fading Treatment
« Reply #7 on: 07 Dec 13 / 05:50 PM »
I hate to say it, but I don't really think it's worth mixing everything in together like that. I'd have to try it before saying it for sure, or someone else try it to compare as you haven't really either. Using bicarb and dandruff shampoo strips out a LOT each time, so is it worth going and adding a load of stuff? I just have pretty strong doubts that it is worth it :/
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« Reply #8 on: 07 Dec 13 / 06:22 PM »
Well, I can't say if it strips out the same amount as using dandruff shampoo and baking soda together because I haven't tried using just those two. The only way to really know is to try it for yourself to compare. I think it's always best to find it out for yourself, that's why I tried this. Every person says that "this way" is the best or "that way" is the best, and I really just did not want to have to wash my hair another 6 times doing a bunch of different treatments because I hate shampooing so much like that. Actively fading my hair drives me nuts! I just really wanted to share this with everyone because it really helped a lot and removed so much color when I didn't think any more fading treatments would help because the water was nearly running clear. It surprised and helped me so much that I really thought it was worth sharing; to try and help anyone else in a similar situation as I was in.
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« Reply #9 on: 07 Dec 13 / 06:29 PM »
Well, that's the question I was trying to ask in the first place :) If you had actually tried using the simpler methods before, so was there a comparison.

I hate fading my hair too as I also don't wash my hair more than one a week, but it's really quick over 2 weeks with two bicarb and dandruff shampoo and a colour remover (though I know there's no really good removers in the US). That's all I was asking, if there's a comparison, I'm not all that interested in trying it until I know it's likely to remove more as there's just too much in it I'd have to buy :) THAT's why I want a comparison and was interested if you had made a comparison. Often it's the case that combined things like this don't actually do any more than just one. It seems like it should, but it doesn't mean it does.

And I didn't say you couldn't share it! I'm just asking :)
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« Reply #10 on: 07 Dec 13 / 06:40 PM »
Oh I know, I wasn't taking it offensively at all <3 I appreciate you and anyone asking questions, because it gets me thinking and I could always learn something new from it :) Even if I'm proved wrong in something, at least then I would know better :)

I now wish I had tried dandruff shampoo and baking soda so I could compare that to this and I could give you a good comparison. But I didn't I did the dandruff shampoo + vitamin c  and i washed with head and shoulders and let it set a bunch of times. All those did work and all seemed to pull out a nice amount of color, I just wanted something more. I did add to the beginning of this though (because of your question), that the simpler methods should be tried first, because that may be enough to do the job :) There's a girl I know online that just did this treatment she says she is going to do another one. I'm going to ask her if she'll try using anti-dandruff shampoo and baking soda before she does it again (which I'm sure she will be perfectly fine with), to compare and I will post how it compares for her here.
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« Reply #11 on: 07 Dec 13 / 06:45 PM »
I've tried the vit c and it's never been very good for me though.
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« Reply #12 on: 07 Dec 13 / 07:04 PM »
I've tried the vit c and it's never been very good for me though.

Same here. Did bugger all!
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« Reply #13 on: 07 Dec 13 / 07:07 PM »
I just use head and shoulders, on its own. I put it on damp hair, pop on a shower cap, and leave it in for about 2 hours, get's loads of colour out for me! When I'm fading (like now) I do that about once a week
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« Reply #14 on: 07 Dec 13 / 07:33 PM »
I was actually pretty pleased with using head and shoulders like how you do @Glitterpix, and I was even more pleased when I added the Vitamin C to it.

@janineb I just thought of something! I am cutting my hair today (finally, I've been procrastinating) and I am going to save the longer pieces and do an experiment. I'm going test different fading treatments on different chunks and I'll post the before and after of all of them! I'll line them all up in a row, do a head + shoulders on one, H+S and bicarb on another, H+S and vitamic c on another, this treatment with peroxide, one without it, etc...I'm actually kind of excited to do it and post the photos :) I mean, everyone's hair is different though, but I know I personally like seeing little hair experiments like this. Maybe some others will too :)
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« Reply #15 on: 08 Dec 13 / 09:36 AM »
Alright, I did a test section, and I think I can report some great results!  I'll be doing the entire head this morning, but I wanted to report with some photos on the test piece.  I don't think the blue is 100% gone but so much better!  I used the above ingredients without peroxide, just eye-balling the proportions, left it for about 10 minutes, then squeezed a bit of 9-volume peroxide in for another 10 minutes.

My hair did darken just slightly from the permanent blonde I put on earlier this week, but it did look a bit more uniform for our work photos on Friday.  It also left the bluer areas more muddy-looking, and these muddy bits are scattered all over the head.  I chose one area to test and tried to capture before and after photos at the same angles, and it's not easy to do, but I used my proper digital camera to do it, with flash, instead of my mobile.

Before #1 (a pretty good capture of the muddy area where my hair is probably driest, has undergone most lightening, and more than likely held onto the most blue dyes, which I'd say would range from permanent to semis):



Before #2 (lighting more similar to the after picture for comparison):



After :) (the muddy strips fell a bit more forward on this photo than on the before, but it's SOOO much better!):



I'm pleased to have experienced little drying through the process as well, and I'm sure that's due to all the conditioning ingredients.  But I definitely prefer to do it all in one shot.  Unlike Katie, I don't refrain from washing for so many days, but I prefer not to get my hair wet more often than necessary, so this combination colour stripper is brilliant...

Only problem was I bought the cheapest Vitamin C tablets, and they're bl**dy coated, so I have to let them dissolve for ages before they break apart, ha ha.

Katie, thanks so much!  I'd say a couple of treatments like this will help brighten it up whilst I put in the waiting time before the next bleaching.  I'll post photos of the whole head treatment too if they come out.

I give this procedure two thumbs up! :D


EDIT TO ADD:

... I'm going test different fading treatments on different chunks and I'll post the before and after of all of them! I'll line them all up in a row, do a head + shoulders on one, H+S and bicarb on another, H+S and vitamic c on another, this treatment with peroxide, one without it, etc...I'm actually kind of excited to do it and post the photos :)


What a fun experiment, I can't wait to see!
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« Reply #16 on: 08 Dec 13 / 12:08 PM »
I don't doubt it works :)

Alexia, also, have you tried any of the other simpler methods?

It's not that I'm trying to go out of my way to prove this doesn't work. It's that I want to know if it works better :)
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Re: Combination Color Stripper
« Reply #17 on: 08 Dec 13 / 01:36 PM »
I've tried colour removers. :)  One day I did Colour B4, and the next day Decolour Remover.

This morning's attempt to do an all-over treatment was interrupted by my partner waking up and wanting help with our kitchen refurb (ha ha), and also, I didn't use enough Head 'n' Shoulders in the mixture, as that's my partner's, so I thought I'd buy a new tub for myself.  But I did use the mixture I had and used it all over, and it's not looking bad!

I plan to do another fading treatment during the week sometime - which ingredient(s) do you suggest I use, or leave out?  To be honest, I think a lot of the blue is really faded out now (yay), so I'm not sure if a photo will show any differences, but I do plan to do this again next time I shampoo to see if it brings out some more brightness and as always will take pictures!
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« Reply #18 on: 08 Dec 13 / 01:40 PM »
Well, I'd always leave the peroxide out... Especially as you've only just dyed your hair.

But as I say, I just use bicarb and head and shoulders or I love juicy by Lush (which is a good one on it's own actually). But it'll be hard to tell as you don't really have much to remove and honestly, I can't see much difference in your photos anyway. :)
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Re: Combination Color Stripper
« Reply #19 on: 08 Dec 13 / 01:47 PM »
So next time if I leave out the dishwashing liquid, definitely peroxide, and perhaps the Vitamin C, and see how that compares?  I still want to use the oils and honey - seemed like they really helped combat dryness, as Katie puts it.

I've also read that olive oil helps draw out some colour too, so we test these colour-fading elements: dandruff shampoo, bicarb, and olive oil... that might be a good combo to try and compare results.

It looks so different in different lights, and the true test is the lighting at work in the lift (also a mirror in there!) because the light sheds a green cast, and I can really see differences in my hair in that light, ha ha.
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Re: Combination Color Stripper
« Reply #20 on: 08 Dec 13 / 01:53 PM »
On my monitor, I honestly don't see much difference in colour, Alexia.  It seems more a difference in lighting than anything?  Your hair is blonde.  What colour are you trying to remove, exactly?

EDIT: I'll also add, with as many processes as you put your hair through to lighten it, I'd be wary of adding peroxide to anything else.  It weakens the hair.
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« Reply #21 on: 08 Dec 13 / 04:15 PM »
The pictures below were from 1-2 weeks ago.  When my hair is dry and I take a picture, I guess you all can't really see what I'm talking about with the green!

But I also took this second photo (yuck!) during the process of the colour remover (1-2 weeks ago) because it appeared as though it was gathering up the blue colouring and looked really intensely green.  Still bad lighting I know, but if you can't see this one, then I'll give up. :)



But the good news is that it's all nearly gone!  And with another one of these treatments or version thereof, I think I'll be a happy bunny.
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Re: Combination Color Stripper
« Reply #22 on: 08 Dec 13 / 04:30 PM »
I can see the "tinge" you were talking about in the before pictures, and it definitely looks like it's not there so much anymore! I do see a big change in the tone of it :) I know it may not be as blatant of a result as most people are used to seeing, but you're not removing a full on saturated color, just getting rid of the origional blue/green tone and the toners you have used to try and neutralize the blue/green.EDIT: While typing this response, you posted the other 2 pictures, and I really really see the green you were talking about lol. When I was lightening my fringe over the course of 6-8 months, I clearly had a lot of toning acting going on throughout. One time my hair looked really orange to me, so I used blue to tone it. Nope! It really must have been gold/yellow, because boy did it turn green as ever! It took a while to get it out, and even when my hair looked back to normal (no green) when it was dry, when it was wet it looked exactly like the green you pictured here when you had the color remover on.

I'm glad you are happy with the results! If you're going to do it again and leave out some things, then I really wouldn't go for this method, becuase I think by leaving out more of the "lifting" ingredients, the oils will take over and I think it may end up being useless...So, I would personally just do two different ones. I would try a hot oil treatment first, because those can pull color out too. Not as much as a more abrasive fading treatment, but I was pretty impressed with an hot oil treatment pulling out the last few spots of green I had! Even if it doesn't pull more out by much, at least it's good for your hair :)

Then, if that doesn't pull the rest of it out, I would try another simpler method, like H+S and bicarb or something like that. Especially being that you're mainly just trying to remove added tones that were put into your hair and not pull out an entire, fully saturated color, I'm sure a simpler method should help you as well.
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Re: Combination Color Stripper
« Reply #23 on: 08 Dec 13 / 05:39 PM »
Glad you see it, and shame you experienced the same horrible colour, but you know how it is!

I think that's the problem exactly - it's not a saturated colour I'm trying to fade, that most people expect to see in a photo... it's just been an annoying overtone that is probably only visible in person.

Thanks so much for the good advice.  I'll do a nice hot oil treatment mid-week and see what happens and resort to H&S and bicarb as a next process if necessary.  I've got to do something with my hair to amuse myself as I've got too long to wait before I bleach again... ha ha.
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Re: Combination Color Stripper
« Reply #24 on: 08 Dec 13 / 05:53 PM »
I do see the green in the second set of photos you posted where your hair is damp.  I imagine it's one of those times it's extremely difficult to capture and is mostly only visible IRL and under certain lighting.
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